User talk:Chillispike/Archive 6

Create New Article
How can I get the template buttons (e.g. Quest or NPC) to show when I click on 'Create New Article', like I get when I click on a red link? The buttons aren't there for 'Create New Article' even though it says "If you are starting a new page and need a template, click on one of the template preload buttons, below." at the top. There aren't any template preload buttons. Thanks :) AndonSage 17:04, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean, i will see if i can find out how to add it.
 * Thanks for the info!
 * -- 17:14, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I managed to add the buttons, but they don't preload the templates :( -- 22:09, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

i just checked and the buttons seem to work for me. only small glitch is that when i click on "more templates..." the new set doesnt replace the current one like it does usually, but it gets added below --Vraeth 09:27, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * yeah i see it now lol. maybe i can fix that thingi too. -- 09:36, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * fixed
 * The Create New Article uses tabs now, the more templates are now in the second tab. The Player/char look doesn't use the tab since it's not needed.
 * MediaWiki:Newarticletext updated, MediaWiki:Newarticletext/more no longer needed and we maybe could delete it.
 * -- 12:08, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Tarannis
have taranis pic, but file is locked for editing
 * Do you mean Taranis Gazerra ? -- 17:00, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Vacation
Completely forgot to mention it in the rush rush of this month's work hell, but I'm leaving on vacation the day after tomorrow and won't have net access (sob!) for 2 weeks plus a little. Is there anything you want me to do or anything you need to know before I head out and set my afk?--Kodia 00:16, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy vacation!
 * I can't think of anything atm. -- 13:10, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Recipe name for Quest "Turning Turtle"
The recipe name is "Turtle Shell Shield Shackles". Just an FYI ! :)


 * Thanks for the name, i just updated the article. -- 18:56, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Need additional parameter for SpellInformation2 template
As of GU57, Priests have a new spell call Wrath. This spell has no version, and never upgrades. However, it does have a Resistibility 12% Harder. The normal Resistibility is based on the version, so goes in the SpellLine information area, but since this spell doesn't have any versions, we need to have Resistibility in the header part. I called it Resist and put it in the Wrath spell, so let me know if you call it something else. I uploaded a screenshot of the spell so you can see how it looks, it shows in the Wrath spell entry. AndonSage 12:59, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Did you had any armor on that changed the resistibility of your spells? -- 17:54, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not that I'm aware of, but I will check again and get back to you. AndonSage 10:51, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I forgot about this :( Anyway, just checked my Fury without any armor, buffs or AAs, and the spell shows Resistibility 12% Harder. AndonSage 02:31, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. The parameter will only show up with both resist=something and noupgrade=something in order to prevent it being used on spells with multiple qualities (where it'd be incorrect). --lordebon 03:41, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I changed the use of it in the template, when a spell used noupgrade but not resist some wiki table chars showed up, the side effect now is when a article uses resist bot not noupgrade is used the wiki table chars show up. -- 14:43, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Found the root cause and fixed it. Because of the way nested if's work and the way the conditional table anti-bugging linebreak works, it needs to be if(a){if(b){1x|void}|void}. That first void from the outer if statement was missing (first time I've ever done nested if's in a conditional table row), that's why it was looking right when the inner parameter (noupgrade after your change) was only passed but messed up when only the outer parameter (resist) was passed. Conditionals in wikitables drive me up a wall, MW does them horribly unless you do exactly the right thing including newlines >_<. --lordebon 03:54, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Equipment name question
So, there's a sword called Sword of the Challenger that dropped from a Faydwer-era quest called A New Challenger. But they just added a second Sword of the Challenger as a reward for Impish Threats.

I checked the naming policy and couldn't find anything on what to do if two pieces of equipment had the same name. So, I've uploaded the examine window for the second Sword of the Challenger to File:Sword of the Challenger (15).jpg, and asking an admin where the article should go. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 23:25, August 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I sorted it out =)
 * The Sword of the Challenger moved Sword of the Challenger (30) and the new one is Sword of the Challenger (15)
 * Sword of the Challenger is now a disambig page for the 2 swords and i moved the images to the new names too.
 * -- 08:30, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Guardian changes - Sept 14, 2010 patch
There were a bunch of Guardian changes with the Sept 14, 2010 patch. Unfortunately, I don't have a Guardian so can't check them all out. If you know anyone that has a Guardian and can do it, please let them know. Thanks :) AndonSage 02:25, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * i wasn't much online recently so sadly, nope :/ -- 07:45, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Small problem with an article
I just posted Pressed Kaborite Ring. The item has a deflection property, but I can't get it to display on the page for some reason. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 07:15, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * deflection is already part of the template, and you added another one, before that. if there are multiples of the same parameter in a template, the last one overrides all of the previous values. thus, if the last one is empty, it wont show up --Vraeth 09:43, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * ... ... ...apparently I was very tired last night. =/ McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 18:01, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Trying to keep paddling
Just a quick FYI to let you know that my work is still crazy busy (stupid long hours). I'm watching the recent changes and such, but not making too much by way of editing changes. Wanted to let you know in case you wondered at my semi-absence. --Kodia 10:14, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah no prob, i make at least a check once a day sometimes way more often. -- 13:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Another policy question
When I'm adding new items to the wiki, and the screenshot provided by LootDB doesn't match the one I took myself, what should I do? What's the eq2i policy, ignore it or upload a new screenshot? McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 00:42, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure if there is a policy about it actually or not, but i can tell how we handle it =)
 * The LootDB screenshot you see is from lootdb directly by using the itemlink, afaik Kodia asked LootDB if it's ok that we show there screenhots in that way (we don't copy there screenshots, we just link there screenshots).
 * LootDB is not allways uptodate with the screenshots, and we aren't either. So if you see that the LootDB screenhot is outdated, just upload you own ingame screenshot of the item.
 * Even LootDB is updodate with a screenshot you can upload your own ingame one.
 * -- 09:13, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Bug
There is a small bug that happens in IE8 in standard and compatibility mode.

I discovered it while editing the following link.

http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Cyclops

It can be reproduced by going to edit mode on that page, then selecting preview. The text area that you input data into gets hard to enter data when you get close to the bottom of the viewable area on the screen. Using the outer scroll bar you can only go down so far then (I'm guessing a small error in the DHTML) causes the screen to bounce up and down, releasing the mouse button sends it back to the top.

The main thing that stands out about that page is the botton tool bar that appears on most other pages with the share, follow and my tools links is not there. It seems that the code that forces that bar to be at the bottom is the culprit here. It is not on the preview of this pm page either and previewing here exhibits the same behavior.

Also http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Gloves_of_Subtle_Strength you fixed that page I was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong if you could fill me in maybe I'll get it right next time.

LempoOnEverfrost 23:09, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * First things first .. =)
 * To link to an article just use  for example and you get Ancient Cyclops.
 * I just tried with the in IE8 and with "New Wikia skin" without logging in, and seems some kind of fine .. apart from the fact that i couldn't see the preloads in that skin.
 * Which skin are you useing?


 * The templates are quite complex sometimes, i learned it by looking at other articles that use the same parameters.
 * About the blue stats like Ability Modifier or Crit Chance ... you can load the page with a helper under the summary line you see some other lines and one of them has the "BlueStats Helper". If you use that one you should see all the bluestats over your item. if you want to add such a blustat add a line to the article like  =>    in the preview you should be able see the 5% Crit Chance then.
 * About the classes: The biggest part of Equipment is normaly useable by the dtype/wytpe or slot of an item.
 * for example cloth armor can be used by all classes, Chain armor only by scouts, warriors, Crusader, shaman and clerics and so on.
 * So the best way is to get started with the slot dtype, wtype of en equipable item, then preview it and if the classes show up correctly you don't have to write down all the classes. If you need differnt classes as the default ones you need to ues some templates, an overview of them can be found at Template talk:EquipInformation.
 * I hope that exampled some of my changes.
 * oh and if you know that there is something missing in the article or when you think you used the template wrong .. just place  on top of the article and other editors will look into it.
 * -- 23:29, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I am using the new skin, tried to reproduce it today unsucessfully. Maybe the HTML was tweaked, or it could have been a local issue. At times I have as many as 5 IE instances open with up to 10 tabs.

Thanks for the additional info.

LempoOnEverfrost 17:02, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Another policy question
When I'm adding new items to the wiki, and the screenshot provided by LootDB doesn't match the one I took myself, what should I do? What's the eq2i policy, ignore it or upload a new screenshot? McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 00:42, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure if there is a policy about it actually or not, but i can tell how we handle it =)
 * The LootDB screenshot you see is from lootdb directly by using the itemlink, afaik Kodia asked LootDB if it's ok that we show there screenhots in that way (we don't copy there screenshots, we just link there screenshots).
 * LootDB is not allways uptodate with the screenshots, and we aren't either. So if you see that the LootDB screenhot is outdated, just upload you own ingame screenshot of the item.
 * Even LootDB is updodate with a screenshot you can upload your own ingame one.
 * -- 09:13, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Bug
There is a small bug that happens in IE8 in standard and compatibility mode.

I discovered it while editing the following link.

http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Cyclops

It can be reproduced by going to edit mode on that page, then selecting preview. The text area that you input data into gets hard to enter data when you get close to the bottom of the viewable area on the screen. Using the outer scroll bar you can only go down so far then (I'm guessing a small error in the DHTML) causes the screen to bounce up and down, releasing the mouse button sends it back to the top.

The main thing that stands out about that page is the botton tool bar that appears on most other pages with the share, follow and my tools links is not there. It seems that the code that forces that bar to be at the bottom is the culprit here. It is not on the preview of this pm page either and previewing here exhibits the same behavior.

Also http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Gloves_of_Subtle_Strength you fixed that page I was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong if you could fill me in maybe I'll get it right next time.

LempoOnEverfrost 23:09, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * First things first .. =)
 * To link to an article just use  for example and you get Ancient Cyclops.
 * I just tried with the in IE8 and with "New Wikia skin" without logging in, and seems some kind of fine .. apart from the fact that i couldn't see the preloads in that skin.
 * Which skin are you useing?


 * The templates are quite complex sometimes, i learned it by looking at other articles that use the same parameters.
 * About the blue stats like Ability Modifier or Crit Chance ... you can load the page with a helper under the summary line you see some other lines and one of them has the "BlueStats Helper". If you use that one you should see all the bluestats over your item. if you want to add such a blustat add a line to the article like  =>    in the preview you should be able see the 5% Crit Chance then.
 * About the classes: The biggest part of Equipment is normaly useable by the dtype/wytpe or slot of an item.
 * for example cloth armor can be used by all classes, Chain armor only by scouts, warriors, Crusader, shaman and clerics and so on.
 * So the best way is to get started with the slot dtype, wtype of en equipable item, then preview it and if the classes show up correctly you don't have to write down all the classes. If you need differnt classes as the default ones you need to ues some templates, an overview of them can be found at Template talk:EquipInformation.
 * I hope that exampled some of my changes.
 * oh and if you know that there is something missing in the article or when you think you used the template wrong .. just place  on top of the article and other editors will look into it.
 * -- 23:29, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I am using the new skin, tried to reproduce it today unsucessfully. Maybe the HTML was tweaked, or it could have been a local issue. At times I have as many as 5 IE instances open with up to 10 tabs.

Thanks for the additional info.

LempoOnEverfrost 17:02, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

help with recent wikia changes
Hello i hope you can assist me, I have noticed the recent changes to wikia look and frankly i don't like them. They really mess with the in-game browser, the links are often hidden or out of place and i cannot change the settings to be the old wikia style. the biggest dissapointment however is all the waypoints that had the little copy box next to it that copy box is missing. I just want my old wikia back please help. Thank you, Jamesjamescopeland146@yahoo.com 11:29, November 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * The best thing is you use Monobook as skin (you can change it under preferences).
 * If you use it ingame please login there und you can use monobook skin where many things should work way better.
 * The good old skin got removed from wikia at 3.11.2010 for all wikis.
 * Forum:Wikia "new look" skin and EQ2i‎‎ - for further information
 * -- 16:13, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

welcome message
Hey, I got your welcome message... thanks. I intended to add a picture to an HQ but I realized that I couldn't get a screenshot since I was past that part and they didn't show up for me anymore (LOL) but I'll do it with another toon and add the picture then.

I love this wiki, and I'll contribute where I can :)


 * welcome!
 * The welcome message is generated by a wikia bot, my name showwd up there coz i was the last active admin hehe.
 * Have fun adding stuff, don't forget to sign to posts on talk pages and may think about creating an account =)
 * -- 10:31, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'm getting used to the wiki markup! but thanks for the manual welcome too! :) --Vlasdorian 10:50, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

New editor -- uncertain about checking numbers
OK, I may have screwed some numbers up for the Guardian combat arts I've been punching in. I've been trying to clean up some of the templates and put in some of the missing ranks. But I'm pretty new to EQ2, and I'm not sure about the values I'm entering. As I'm swapping between my lvl 27 Guardian and my level 30 non-fighter Alchemist, I'm noticing a swing in the values I'm seeing for taunts, etc, on the same skill between the two characters. I've been going under the assumption that when I view a spell scroll on the broker, it would look the same for anyone. Evidently, the change in abilities (I'm guess the aggression skill?) impacts this, which probably means all the values I've been entering are invalid.

My big question: what *should* we be putting in for values on these skills? The values seen by a fully skilled up character (level 90 with max)? A character who has just leveled up to use it? I'm a bit at a loss with how to acquire the data to fill out the tables. Suggestions? Or should we just roll it back and lose the template changes?

Jonreece 05:14, November 30, 2010 (UTC) jonreece 11/30/'10


 * The values should come from the class that uses that CA/Spell.
 * If you are unsure about the values .. just leave em there with ?
 * -- 09:35, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Armor template preload
Hey Chillispike, have you ever thought about adding the "abmod" field to the armor template pre-load? More stuff than not has an abmod these days and I don't see that changing with the new expansion. Just a thought.McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 04:51, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * makes sense to do it for Armor preload. done -- 14:14, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Articles not sorting alphabetically anymore
Sorry to keep posting on your talk page, but this has been weird.

I was starting writing monster articles for Category:The Hole Monsters, and none of them were sorting alphabetically anymore - the wiki had gone back to sorting based on if they started with "a" and "an". I then tested the problem by moving an old article from Woodland bear to A woodland bear, and same thing, the wiki isn't sorting it right. I used to do a blank edit to fix it, but that has stopped working.

So what now? I sort of stopped doing monster articles because with this it was kind of making a mess, but... is there anything I can do to help fix or clean up? Again I'm still using Monobook instead of New Wikia Look in case that's responsible.

Oh, unrelated, but File:Legs_Icon_83_(Treasured).png has been marked for rename since December. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 00:09, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * The sorting is handled by the following line
 * The parser function  changed at some point, and doesn't need the # prefix. - sorting is fixed for all articles, on the next bot run from wikia it will be visible.
 * Yeah i know i have some stuff to catch up since middle of december, but i gonna check the recent changes of the last weeks first then i sort the rest.
 * -- 17:20, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

HideDiv is broken
... Or at least, it most certainly seems that way. I'm using Firefox and Monobook layout and nowhere that I've seen a HideDiv section is the coding actually "hiding" the intended information anymore... I'm not sure when this happened, or why, but unless it's fixed, it now means we have tons of pages with useless code and header-boxes saying "click here to hide!" -- Mysterious drake 22:25, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not sure why it got broke and not sure i can fix it. I will ask Lordebon about it, since got it "running" at the start. -- 14:57, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll take a good look tonight or this weekend at the latest. My initial hunch is that the javascript from dev.wikia isn't getting hooked in. --lordebon 15:01, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Cool, thx! -- 15:04, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like it's Wikia that broke it somehow. Not surprising since they clearly don't care about letting people truly customize their wikis anymore. I might take a look at trying to replicate the functionality tomorrow; for tonight they've made me too disillusioned. --lordebon 22:49, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * After reading through some more stuff on the dev wiki and a few tests here, it looks like the NavFrame part is not working at all anywhere thanks to wikia. I left a message there to see if anyone has gotten it working, but barring that we'll have to move to collapsible tables instead of the NavFrames. Makes me very glad that I templatized things though -- assuming I don't hear back anything on the dev wiki we should be able to restore functionality using tables instead by modifying the HideDiv template. Now, anywhere else that collapsible divs might have been used will have to be fixed as well... have you two seen any such places that are broken that don't call ? --lordebon 18:40, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * only the ER quest and the achievements are useign it .. not sure about others -- 23:37, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for looking into it; I just hope it can eventually get sorted out. All in all, this just seems to reinforce to me that Wikia is trying to hijack sites and their layouts. I mean, okay, fine, implement new functionality to your website, but... seriously? Forcing all of us to choke on what effectively is a less than 800x600 display space? (Less if, like our wiki, you're using imagery, sidebars, etc -- nevermind the ads) -- Mysterious drake 06:33, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Der Anfang vom Ende?
please discuss if this idea is ok for you all.
 * I will delete it, gimmi a little till i have the time for it please. I can't atm. -- 10:02, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

thanks for pointing out the reason. this will motivate me to participate. NOT.


 * The proper place for German-language articles would be on the German version of eq2i, at de:Hauptseite. You can add links to the German version from the English using the wiki code  -- for example, I added   to The Beginning of the End? and now you'll see a link in the sidebar under "In other Languages" to German.
 * With that said, it won't help when it comes to links from in-game unless you modify your UI to point to de.eq2.wikia.com rather than eq2.wikia.com. --lordebon 14:17, January 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lordebon is right about that.
 * The other reaon why we don't localize every article is the fact that it's kind of endless. Atm i think we would need every article in x languages (english, german, french,russian, ....) a direkt translation isn't possible before soe mixs the names sometimes up and so.
 * feel free to add the translation to articles so you can find them when you search for them.
 * (I will move/copy this page to my talkpage before i delete it.)
 * -- 17:44, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Community Portal
Can you fix the link to the community portal in the sidebar, Chilli? You just have to edit MediaWiki:Portal-url and capitalize the "P" in portal. --lordebon 21:46, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * done -- 23:38, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Forum talk:Index
Since that seems to be a target for spammers lately, why not delete and protect the page? Forum pages don't normally have talk pages and there's no normal discussion link to them so a normal user probably wouldn't be able to get to that page to use it for it's original purpose anyway. :) --lordebon 05:04, February 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * i found it's purpose
 * if the spammers don't spam that article they find a other atilce, but that talk page doesn't hurt us that much so i rather see that page spammed then a other article.
 * -- 13:21, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry
Oh dear God I think I've left a horrific mess totally by accident .. was trying to update my character page and think I inadvertently updated everyone's and made a mess. I'm SO sorry! - Jaeyne


 * Where what? ;) just saw it. Thx for telling that it was a misstake ... otherwise i had to ask hehe :)
 * If you did something wrong with a article you edited, or someone else edited you can undo the changes.
 * Go to the History of the article
 * On the left col you pick the last good one and on the right either the top or a other one
 * Press the grey buttom Compare selected revisions
 * in the upper right corner you see Latest revision as of ........ (edit) (undo) press the undo (you ain't reverted the page yet)
 * Look if the compare of old and new article is ok then save it.
 * Templates are a way to generate generic stuff based on parameters, like Quests and equipment so it's easier to make changes for all articles that use the template.
 * Note: Please remember to sign your posts using four tildes ( ~ )
 * -- 18:10, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Greetings!
Greetings! Long time eq2.wikia.com user, only recently started contributing heavily. Just want to thank you for all your help, before I get into this conundrum.

The new expansion has released more items similar to Bit of moldering cadaver flesh and Chunk of void metal, that are an item that can be utilized in a way to get another item (most notably, equipment). However, in this case, they actually give you the option to click on one and instantly receive it, instead of trading it in to a merchant or using it to craft with. If you haven't seen one, it sort of looks like examining a recipe book, but also has icons below for each of the different pieces of equipment you can choose from (which you can right-click and examine, or hover over, for more info).

My question is this.. how can we properly represent those on this site? I'd be happy to take a screenshot if that would help. In the mean time, I may start trying to enter in all the individual armor pieces (although there's a ton).

Thanks again! Donhead 05:20, February 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome!
 * I think there are many items that only show the information like an examine window when you hover over it. I normaly write down that "popup" window to make the article.
 * Hmm, a screenshot would help for sure -- 10:08, February 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've posted a screenshot, Exquisite Resonating Cache.jpg. These are somewhat nested, which makes it fun.  If you examine a Prevalent Armor Piece, you then get a similar window, displaying a bunch of armor choices.  Upon actually accepting a Prevalent Armor Piece, you are given the option to loot one of the pieces of armor specific to your class.
 * These are being dropped by the chests after completing the Public Quests, which I just finished documenting (to the best of my ability). Which "Cache" you get seems to determine on your overall participation, although I'm not sure that's been confirmed.  I've seen 5 different "Cache" drops, each with slightly different options.  I have screenshots of all of them.
 * Taking screenshots of the "Armor Piece" drops is slightly more difficult, as they're taller than my screen (which I didn't notice until after snapping them). I'll try to get better pictures next time I'm on.
 * And just to clarify, I'm only showing the Examine window output. What you actually get is a "Loot" type window with the various options.  I'll try to remember to take a screenshot of it in-action.
 * If you haven't tried the Public Quests yet (Echoes of the Ring War and Battle of Storm Gorge, I'd highly suggest trying them out. They scale to your group, so go solo, or take a few raids.  Either way, it's a lot of fun. =)
 * Donhead 08:54, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * And just to clarify, the flow goes something like this: Complete Public Quest -> Click on chest -> Receive one of the "Cache" loot options -> Choose one of them, if armor piece selected -> Receive one of the armor piece loot options -> Receive actual equipable armor item.
 * You can see the Triumphant Armor of the Divide (Armor Set) for an example of the armor pieces, I started adding those in yesterday. That's a whole new story, by the way.. the armor sets are made up of 15 different pieces which can be mixed/matched.  I hope I did okay in putting together that Armor Set page.
 * Donhead 09:02, February 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * We have a parameter for things that create items or contains items (only real difference being the wording). You use it with Template:CItemList to create a list of icons (similar to in game) with a list of the names as well for easier browsing on the wiki. It should work for anything with under 10 items that it contains. I've upsed chunk of void metal using that template so you can see how it looks and have an example of the code.
 * For things with more than 10 items inside (like the armor pieces you mention) we'll have to figure something else out. Maybe a template with just the icons and then we can add a section below and outside of the black box to list all the item names. Could you get a screenshot of one of the long armor boxes? I'm curious if they list all the items by name or just show the icons. --lordebon 15:32, February 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * My apologies for not getting back to you, weekends belong to my kids, and every moment I can sneak away to play (naps and after bed), I've been -playing- instead of -documenting-. =)
 * I do appreciate you showing off Template:CItemList and chunk of void metal. That is exactly what I needed.  I've gone ahead and started my first one, A Dominant Weapon.  Just out of curiosity (I haven't gone looking yet), where do I get all the nice icons?
 * To answer the question about quantity of boxes and whether it lists items as well as displays the icons, yes and yes, and the last one I saw had 27 individual items listed, along with their associated icons (so your current limit of 10 in the template isn't going to be enough). Of course, I failed to get a screenshot, so I'll try and do that when I have a chance, but I can tell you it does look exactly like that template, and there is as many as 27 items on one of them.  I'm going to try and start documenting them all again this week.
 * Now that they've fixed the Public Quests with this morning's patch, there's additional loot options that weren't available before, and a lot as been clarified thanks to a number of developer posts on the forums. I'm going to try and update the Battle of Storm Gorge (touched it a little tonight) and Echoes of the Ring War pages to reflect what is now being seen.
 * And I'm glad to see someone picked up the Destiny of Velious Crafting Timeline. I had started to list out the quests as I was doing them, with the intention of going back and filling in a lot of the blanks, but it was either focus on the Public Quests and better gear, or do tradeskill stuff, and this time, Public Quests and gear won.  So much to do, so little time!
 * Have a great week, folks! Donhead 08:57, March 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I saw the item ingame allready so i updated the Template:CItemList and it should work for 30 items
 * To get the icons you can look through Category:Icons -> Category:Equipment Icons to find a matching one, if you can't find one feel free to upload one
 * -- 12:20, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

The Essence of a Prophet
I just posted one of the new HQ's from Greater Divide. It gives a buckler without class restrictions, and underwater breathing. Lets see how long it takes for Sony to see the error of their ways. Seditionist- raider on Nagafen

Collector (NPC)
Hey Chillispike, I saw that a change I had made to add a New Halas Collector to the Category Page for Collectors has been deleted. I know that I didn't have it quite right, but now because two individuals have deleted the category/categories, now the NPC doesn't show up. New Halas IS in the Frostfang Sea area and as such should have a category which allows users to be able to easily locate the NPCs located in New Halas. Could you please take another look at this issue and let me know what's the right way to resolve this? Thanks! --Councellor (talk) 00:35, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * New Halas is not in the frostfang area, it's in the zone called Frostfang See
 * we make the categories per zone, since new halas is just a "area" in frostfang sea it doesn't have a own category.
 * the same "happened" with the npc's of Kelethin .. those are all NPC's with Greater Faydark. same with the npcs of gorowyn.
 * The NPC should be still there (i ain't deleted at least) but in a other Category, the best way normaly is use the NPC by zone and purpose and so on.
 * i think there was a forum post about it where we made npc'S per city discussion but i'm not 100% sure atm.
 * -- 00:48, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * In an effort to help improve the functionality of a pretty good wiki, perhaps the bureaucrat/admins should consider revamping the NPC pages from a "zone" mentality to an "area" function. That way folks could find the NPCs they are seeking.  I attempted to locate the specific NPC using your suggestion of "NPC by zone and purpose" and the New Halas NPCs don't show up.  So while I appreciate your comments/suggestions, it's apparent that this issue needs another review. Try finding New Halas NPCs, it's impossible using NPC > Catagory:NPCs > NPCs by Zone and Purpose. I tried using NPC by Purpose and would need to click through every name on the page to find one that's in New Halas. This really seems beyond what most folks would be willing to go through using your wikia. Regardless of your decision, my comments are just constructive suggestions, not a complaint.  --Councellor  (talk) 01:14, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand that it's not that easy allways to find the wanted information in every possible way if you don't know the right name, even we can create many redirects those should be useful too
 * Try Category:NPC -> Category:NPC Types -> Category:Collector (NPC Type) then you will see 13 zones where colletors are (apart from Guild hall ones)
 * The problem with the NPC's by POI is that we would need to add a like 1000 categories for it. at many pois you have some npc's
 * Feel free to make suggetions how we could revamp it at Forum:City npcs vs zone npcs, but one of the goals is defo to keep NPC's by zone.
 * -- 01:38, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * One suggestion is that the location of the collector can be noted on the New Halas page. People looking for a collector in New Halas might be more likely to look there than in the collectors category. However as Chilli says things could get messy if we just start changing things in the middle so we try to plan it out and get consensus first. --lordebon 02:12, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also perhaps someone should place a notice on the main page of this wikia to state that changes should not be made without them being placed on a talk/discussion board first. This wikia doesn't seem to operate as most do (by user input) but instead by a few individuals (who seem to be unknown) and whom seem to have a plan in place that isn't/wouldn't be known by an average visitor to this wiki.  I looked on the main page prior to adding to this wiki and unfortunately didn't find/nor was I aware of any discussion to this issue of categories.  It has definitely made me decide not to provide any more inputs/changes to this wiki as I wouldn't want to "step on anyone's toes".  Again, this comment isn't being made to upset anyone, just to mention an issue that others may be encountering as well.

We do operate by user input, but since we're an old wiki we also have a lot of things that have become somewhat set in their ways -- not that there is necessarily the best reason for doing things one way, it's simply the way it's been done in the past so we try to keep consistent. This perception is very common -- wikipedia deals with it and even has a section on it at this wikipedia page. I'm truly sorry if you've become discouraged, but on most large wikis you will see the same thing: a set of common practices (some of which might not be written down) will develop and older users will tend to edit things to keep in line with those while new users are likely to not know about them at all. There's not actually any toes being stepped on, we're just trying to keep things consistent so that it's accessible. A part of the problem is that when the administrators ask for folks input (on the main page or using the little notification thing at the top of the page) few if any people respond and thus it's very difficult to get a gauge on the community. Nevertheless there are ways of proposing changes -- the normal way here is to make a forum topic about it.

You make a good point there though, as there isn't really something that points folks to the forums for suggesting changes. Thats an area we can look to improve, maybe with an article on how to propose changes linked to on the main page. This is generally how changes happen -- someone comes up with an idea that doesn't fit against the way existing things work and it gets discussed and is either moved forward or not depending on consensus. If you'd like to stay and propose changes the wiki would certainly be better for it. We should move the discussion to a forum topic though, as we don't want to keep burning up Chilli's talk page while he's away. --lordebon 21:34, March 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Great point Lordebon, this topic moved to Forums. Thanks! --Councellor (talk) 23:19, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the Info Chillispike!
Thanks for providing the information regarding changes in spell names, it was very helpful. Some of the older advice posted in online forums didn't make sense without it. I looked in more than a few places before finding the GOOD information on your site. Thanks!

Where Have All My Icons Gone? (Long time passing...)
A bunch of icons I made for the new Public Quest gear have disappeared, for instance, see A Victorious Armor Piece (Storm Gorge). I didn't keep the screenshots after I uploaded. Where did they go? Am I going to have to do them all again? --Sigrdrifa 18:26, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Did they get redirected in a recent bot move? The Delete Log may help find this info. I'm not sure when Chilli will be able to answer, but that log may help with some initial forensics.--Kodia 21:16, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lordebon's bot run renamed the head icons to 4 digit numbers Head Icon 30 (Legendary).jpg => Head Icon 0030 (Legendary).jpg
 * I checked some of the moved icon's and saw they get used .. then i deleted the old redirects (not the images)
 * So all the icons are still but have a litte different name, my bot should be able to sort it .. somehow =)
 * -- 22:04, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Whew! They seem to be showing up properly now. I was afraid I was gonna have to redo them all! --Sigrdrifa 22:57, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * As Chilli said I was testing my bot to move some of the icons to higher numbering so that they'd show up in proper order in the categories but he went through and deleted all the redirects before I had a chance to update all the references (I got the ones categorized as head slot, it's the other instances that were a bit harder to track down). I have a list of all the old icon names to go through and verify that there's none missing still, I just haven't had the change to completely go through them all yet due to crunch time IRL that popped up. For whatever reason the wiki doesn't work too well with finding text strings like that, especially in the API that bots use. Sorry if I caused any concern, I wasn't expecting the redirects to get deleted that fast or to not be able to get back to finish up. --lordebon 00:07, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Pfew. Glad that got figured out. Stay calm and carry on, eh? --Kodia 01:53, March 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Head icons sorted. I will check the wanted photos tomorrow again to make sure that i catched all of them -- 07:22, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

EQ 12th Anniversary Celebration
Will you or one of the other admins be creating the categories for this week-long special event, or will it just be whoever does it first decides on the names to use? AndonSage 15:47, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Chronoportals
I went ahead and put together a rough page on the Chronoportals, if you want to link it from the news item on the front. --Sigrdrifa 22:15, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice job, Sigrdrifa! :) AndonSage 20:21, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

adornments
i redid the t9 adornments page in preparations of adding the blue, yellow, and red adorns in the near future. i think the way i have it currently will allow me add them and still have it reasonably coherent for looking for adornments by slot. i couldn't get the table to look exactly how i wanted, but will work in its current configuration.

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Sirus Bis Nes
My bad. :) But in that same vein, have we ever talked about those mobs that truly are only ever around for a festival?--Kodia 23:32, March 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not sure if or where we talked about, but we handle it allready with the Live event Template on the related articles. perfect for Annual and monthly things
 * Live event stuff hardly get's added and removed from soe ... it get's actived and deactived on certain dates
 * Intruduced/Patch is not allways the perfect thing for quests and mobs, a Quest get's added with a LU but you need a certain expantion to do it.
 * a better over all way would be splitting between LU und Expansion, but that would take a lot of work and prepare (see the Bot "patch fix" at top)
 * -- 07:24, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Recipe Book template
Can you remove the weight from showing for Recipe Book templates, please? (example Kerra Traditional Medicine) Thanks :) AndonSage 23:10, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Done, wt is removed from template -- 08:40, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

question
hello!

Excuse me if i don't speak english very well. I have a question: how are you doing to put a picture in the window of explaining the item? I know loading the pic of my computer on wikia, but i just coult put it in the notes.

Thanks


 * Hello!
 * The fastest way to show the examine window of an item is when the uploaded image has the same name like the article.
 * For Example if you want to upload the Examine window of Spaulders of the Imprisoned the image should have the name File:Spaulders of the Imprisoned.jpg -> Best way to do it
 * The other way is you upload an Image and use the iname parameter, for example you upload File:Spaulders of the imprisoned.jpg (not imprisoned is in small letters) then you edit the article Spaulders of the Imprisoned and in the with iname you write  -> sometimes you have to do it in this way
 * If you wanna upload the image of the look when the item is equipped uploaded it "pagename + (Visible).jpg" File:Spaulders of the Imprisoned (Visible).jpg and link the image via iname2 =>
 * If you more questions feel free to ask i hope the information is helpfull
 * -- 13:19, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thx, I figured after starting the ToFS x2 Section w/o acct i would go ahead and finnish it and atleast get acredited for it. I am adding strats drops and mob list for all the x2 mobs.


 * Cool =) -- 14:28, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

DoV adorn slots
Hey Chilispike I'm having trouble with the new markup code for adornments. If I do it the old way  it works fine, but with the new ones, no matter what I put into the yellowslot and blueslot fields to try and set the value to none, it always comes back with three showing. I've tried 0, zero, none, -, blank, and removing the field entirely, but nothing worked. So, I'm leaving Legatus' Blade done wrong, but I'll stop with new articles until you tell me how to do it right again. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 00:32, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Fixed; you were doing it right, the default value of no adorns wasn't set properly in a subtemplate so it was doing 3 by default instead of 0. --lordebon 02:39, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

New Wikia feature - Chat
Hi! I'm Mark, from Wikia's Content Team. I'm excited to announce a brand-new Wikia feature - the Chat. The chat has been available for a while in beta, but it was recently added to WikiaLabs, meaning that any local sysop can activate the feature on their wiki! The chat is an excellent way to communicate with less experienced editors and new visitors to the wiki, without having to explain the process of editing entirely using talk pages. In addition to that, the chat also allows you to discuss news about the game easily without having to renew a page all the time waiting for the new messages bubble. Just to be clear, Wikia is not forcing this feature on any wiki, it's completely optional. However, we do recommend the feature as it'll only make editing easier, and attract more editors to the wiki. To activate the feature, visit Special:WikiaLabs and activate the chat. If you have any questions at all, don't hesitate to leave me a message on my talk page! Cheers, Mark  ( talk ) 22:32, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

More icon issues
Yesterday night I was uploading icons and the uploader was acting funny - it would say "there is an issue with Wikia's servers", but the rest of the wiki was functioning fine and the images were uploading even though I was getting the server error message. Then once I got them all uploaded I noticed they weren't showing in Category:Shoulders Icons even though they were labeled correctly.

The complete list of icons that won't display in the Shoulders Icon list is


 * File:Shoulders Icon 34 (Fabled).png
 * File:Shoulders Icon 34 (Legendary).png
 * File:Shoulders Icon 42 (Fabled).png
 * File:Shoulders Icon 57 (Fabled).png
 * File:Shoulders Icon 57 (Legendary).png
 * File:Shoulders Icon 84 (Legendary).png
 * File:Shoulders Icon 85 (Fabled).png

I tried uploading a new version of one of them to see if that fixed it, and it didn't. So now I've got to ask you. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 22:07, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm i just checked the icons and the category and i can see all of them, even the update at one of em.
 * Sometimes it can take quite a while (longest was 2 days i think so far) till the servers updates the images, but that rarly happens
 * Maybe try to clear the cache in your browser or force a reload of the page. sometimes i check it with a other browser just to be sure -- 22:17, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

New paramater needed for Template:EquipInformation
Went to add a bunch of scout raid helms. They've got a paramter called "Weapons Skill". You can see it in an examine window here. I'd add it myself but obviously since the page is locked I've got to ask an admin. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 04:58, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess slashing, crushing and piercing skills are still there too, i will add it and call it wskill. -- 05:22, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * parameter wskill added and i added the Darkblade's Slaughtering Coif to test the skill .. just the effect information is missing at the coif now. -- 08:35, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Got another one that needs to be added - Flurry Chance. (as seen on Crystal Shard of Rime). McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 17:27, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

thx, flurry done and parameter used -- 19:44, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

War runes Adornments

 * Yet another one :). War Runes now have an "Item Type" field for stating what slot they can be used in, instead of saying that in the description. As seen on Dain's Legacy and Revered Lands. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 07:35, August 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Revered Lands shows what you mean:) Is that look change just for war runes or for all adornments?
 * In addition i see the slot information looks differnt too. -- 08:28, August 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Templates updated und at Revered Lands used -- 09:45, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Icon delete/move request
Hey boss, can you delete File:Belt Icon 03 (Fabled).png and move File:Belt Icon 03 (Fabled).PNG over top of it? I tried to replace the image with the all-lowercase file extension, but for some reason the wiki stretched the old image over the new one's frame instead of replacing it. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 00:02, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * While we're at it someone accidentally uploaded a fabled image over File:Necklace Icon 38 (Legendary).png, could you revision-delete the image to get it back to the proper one? McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 00:04, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

File:Belt Icon 03 (Fabled).PNG deleted coz it was a a duplicate of File:Belt Icon 03 (Fabled).png when i checked .. the image cache servers need sometimes quite long to catch up. File:Necklace Icon 38 (Legendary).png sorted too. -- 14:38, August 15, 2011 (UTC)