User talk:Chillispike

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Bot "patch fix"
I disagree with what you've done with your bot with changing a patch of LU55 to Sentinel's Fate. This is not a valid blanket change. Sentinel's Fate is an expansion patch and is only available to those that own said expansion. LU55 patch items are available to anyone who owns the previous content at the time of the patch. Furthermore, precedence here at EQ2i is to have separate categories. Take Category:Rise of Kunark and Category:LU40. It's not the best example, but it does clearly show that the two things are quite different. Furthermore, it's best to discuss large blanket changes like this before running them to avoid situations like this. --lordebon 18:38, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand that such a ninja change with my bot isn't the best way, but i made it in the last expansion(s) (manualy) too :/
 * The point of the update for me isn't the fact that you need the expansion to get these quests but the fact that those changes came with the release of the expansion aka LU55.
 * In order to get those quests, POI's, nameds and so you need the Expansion the zones got released and not the current expansion yeah but it was a change with the release of the expansion.
 * An option would be that all quests are LU55, since they got added with that liveupdate, but to get those quests you need the expansion to travel to the new zones, but it would be a little confusing i think.
 * -- 19:08, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * It wasn't confusing to me in the past. A patch of LUxx means that it was released as a 'free' update to existing content. A patch with an expansion name means that the content was added in an expansion launch. Thus stuff that was added to TT was LU55 but stuff in SF was Sentinel's Fate. Should we start a forum topic on this to see what we should do going forward? I don't think there ever was an official policy on it, but the whole RoK vs LUxx thing just seemed to be SOP to me. --lordebon 22:30, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think your suggestion regarding LU55 vs TT makes sense, Lordebon. AndonSage 00:37, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

I have started to write down a forum post about it, but there many things i try to consider. I will add a link as soon as i started it. -- 12:55, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Create New Article
How can I get the template buttons (e.g. Quest or NPC) to show when I click on 'Create New Article', like I get when I click on a red link? The buttons aren't there for 'Create New Article' even though it says "If you are starting a new page and need a template, click on one of the template preload buttons, below." at the top. There aren't any template preload buttons. Thanks :) AndonSage 17:04, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean, i will see if i can find out how to add it.
 * Thanks for the info!
 * -- 17:14, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I managed to add the buttons, but they don't preload the templates :( -- 22:09, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

i just checked and the buttons seem to work for me. only small glitch is that when i click on "more templates..." the new set doesnt replace the current one like it does usually, but it gets added below --Vraeth 09:27, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * yeah i see it now lol. maybe i can fix that thingi too. -- 09:36, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * fixed
 * The Create New Article uses tabs now, the more templates are now in the second tab. The Player/char look doesn't use the tab since it's not needed.
 * MediaWiki:Newarticletext updated, MediaWiki:Newarticletext/more no longer needed and we maybe could delete it.
 * -- 12:08, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Tarannis
have taranis pic, but file is locked for editing
 * Do you mean Taranis Gazerra ? -- 17:00, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Vacation
Completely forgot to mention it in the rush rush of this month's work hell, but I'm leaving on vacation the day after tomorrow and won't have net access (sob!) for 2 weeks plus a little. Is there anything you want me to do or anything you need to know before I head out and set my afk?--Kodia 00:16, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy vacation!
 * I can't think of anything atm. -- 13:10, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Recipe name for Quest "Turning Turtle"
The recipe name is "Turtle Shell Shield Shackles". Just an FYI ! :)


 * Thanks for the name, i just updated the article. -- 18:56, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Need additional parameter for SpellInformation2 template
As of GU57, Priests have a new spell call Wrath. This spell has no version, and never upgrades. However, it does have a Resistibility 12% Harder. The normal Resistibility is based on the version, so goes in the SpellLine information area, but since this spell doesn't have any versions, we need to have Resistibility in the header part. I called it Resist and put it in the Wrath spell, so let me know if you call it something else. I uploaded a screenshot of the spell so you can see how it looks, it shows in the Wrath spell entry. AndonSage 12:59, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Did you had any armor on that changed the resistibility of your spells? -- 17:54, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not that I'm aware of, but I will check again and get back to you. AndonSage 10:51, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I forgot about this :( Anyway, just checked my Fury without any armor, buffs or AAs, and the spell shows Resistibility 12% Harder. AndonSage 02:31, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. The parameter will only show up with both resist=something and noupgrade=something in order to prevent it being used on spells with multiple qualities (where it'd be incorrect). --lordebon 03:41, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I changed the use of it in the template, when a spell used noupgrade but not resist some wiki table chars showed up, the side effect now is when a article uses resist bot not noupgrade is used the wiki table chars show up. -- 14:43, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Found the root cause and fixed it. Because of the way nested if's work and the way the conditional table anti-bugging linebreak works, it needs to be if(a){if(b){1x|void}|void}. That first void from the outer if statement was missing (first time I've ever done nested if's in a conditional table row), that's why it was looking right when the inner parameter (noupgrade after your change) was only passed but messed up when only the outer parameter (resist) was passed. Conditionals in wikitables drive me up a wall, MW does them horribly unless you do exactly the right thing including newlines >_<. --lordebon 03:54, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Equipment name question
So, there's a sword called Sword of the Challenger that dropped from a Faydwer-era quest called A New Challenger. But they just added a second Sword of the Challenger as a reward for Impish Threats.

I checked the naming policy and couldn't find anything on what to do if two pieces of equipment had the same name. So, I've uploaded the examine window for the second Sword of the Challenger to File:Sword of the Challenger (15).jpg, and asking an admin where the article should go. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 23:25, August 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I sorted it out =)
 * The Sword of the Challenger moved Sword of the Challenger (30) and the new one is Sword of the Challenger (15)
 * Sword of the Challenger is now a disambig page for the 2 swords and i moved the images to the new names too.
 * -- 08:30, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Guardian changes - Sept 14, 2010 patch
There were a bunch of Guardian changes with the Sept 14, 2010 patch. Unfortunately, I don't have a Guardian so can't check them all out. If you know anyone that has a Guardian and can do it, please let them know. Thanks :) AndonSage 02:25, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * i wasn't much online recently so sadly, nope :/ -- 07:45, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Small problem with an article
I just posted Pressed Kaborite Ring. The item has a deflection property, but I can't get it to display on the page for some reason. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 07:15, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * deflection is already part of the template, and you added another one, before that. if there are multiples of the same parameter in a template, the last one overrides all of the previous values. thus, if the last one is empty, it wont show up --Vraeth 09:43, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * ... ... ...apparently I was very tired last night. =/ McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 18:01, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Trying to keep paddling
Just a quick FYI to let you know that my work is still crazy busy (stupid long hours). I'm watching the recent changes and such, but not making too much by way of editing changes. Wanted to let you know in case you wondered at my semi-absence. --Kodia 10:14, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah no prob, i make at least a check once a day sometimes way more often. -- 13:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Another policy question
When I'm adding new items to the wiki, and the screenshot provided by LootDB doesn't match the one I took myself, what should I do? What's the eq2i policy, ignore it or upload a new screenshot? McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 00:42, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure if there is a policy about it actually or not, but i can tell how we handle it =)
 * The LootDB screenshot you see is from lootdb directly by using the itemlink, afaik Kodia asked LootDB if it's ok that we show there screenhots in that way (we don't copy there screenshots, we just link there screenshots).
 * LootDB is not allways uptodate with the screenshots, and we aren't either. So if you see that the LootDB screenhot is outdated, just upload you own ingame screenshot of the item.
 * Even LootDB is updodate with a screenshot you can upload your own ingame one.
 * -- 09:13, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Bug
There is a small bug that happens in IE8 in standard and compatibility mode.

I discovered it while editing the following link.

http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Cyclops

It can be reproduced by going to edit mode on that page, then selecting preview. The text area that you input data into gets hard to enter data when you get close to the bottom of the viewable area on the screen. Using the outer scroll bar you can only go down so far then (I'm guessing a small error in the DHTML) causes the screen to bounce up and down, releasing the mouse button sends it back to the top.

The main thing that stands out about that page is the botton tool bar that appears on most other pages with the share, follow and my tools links is not there. It seems that the code that forces that bar to be at the bottom is the culprit here. It is not on the preview of this pm page either and previewing here exhibits the same behavior.

Also http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Gloves_of_Subtle_Strength you fixed that page I was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong if you could fill me in maybe I'll get it right next time.

LempoOnEverfrost 23:09, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * First things first .. =)
 * To link to an article just use  for example and you get Ancient Cyclops.
 * I just tried with the in IE8 and with "New Wikia skin" without logging in, and seems some kind of fine .. apart from the fact that i couldn't see the preloads in that skin.
 * Which skin are you useing?


 * The templates are quite complex sometimes, i learned it by looking at other articles that use the same parameters.
 * About the blue stats like Ability Modifier or Crit Chance ... you can load the page with a helper under the summary line you see some other lines and one of them has the "BlueStats Helper". If you use that one you should see all the bluestats over your item. if you want to add such a blustat add a line to the article like  =>    in the preview you should be able see the 5% Crit Chance then.
 * About the classes: The biggest part of Equipment is normaly useable by the dtype/wytpe or slot of an item.
 * for example cloth armor can be used by all classes, Chain armor only by scouts, warriors, Crusader, shaman and clerics and so on.
 * So the best way is to get started with the slot dtype, wtype of en equipable item, then preview it and if the classes show up correctly you don't have to write down all the classes. If you need differnt classes as the default ones you need to ues some templates, an overview of them can be found at Template talk:EquipInformation.
 * I hope that exampled some of my changes.
 * oh and if you know that there is something missing in the article or when you think you used the template wrong .. just place  on top of the article and other editors will look into it.
 * -- 23:29, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I am using the new skin, tried to reproduce it today unsucessfully. Maybe the HTML was tweaked, or it could have been a local issue. At times I have as many as 5 IE instances open with up to 10 tabs.

Thanks for the additional info.

LempoOnEverfrost 17:02, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Guides, Toolbars, and Jumpy Pages
'Ello! Just a few questions at the moment... First off, I'm writing my own guide to the zone Darklight Wood on my user page. Is there anywhere more specific I can post it on? I didn't know if I should post it on the forums, actual zone page, Player Guides page, or anywhere else? Secondly, alot of the buttons are missing on the toolbar. For example, there is only level 2 heading and no level 3, 4, or 5. I'm just wondering if it's a glitch or not. If it isn't, sorry if I seemed insulting. The page also sometimes refuses to let me scroll completely up or down. Is that also a glitch? Thanks!--&#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;Signatures/Shadow125787}} 20:50, October 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what the goal of your guide is :/, i like the current zone information. So i don't know where else you could post it. You may ask Kodia about it.
 * The heading button ist just for the most used ones, I do the heading normaly manualy since you just have to write the == == for it. if you want heading 3 just make sure that the line looke like === title ===
 * Which skin do you use? the problem with scrolling down could come from the new wikia skin.
 * -- 18:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Editing the zone probably wouldn't have been a good idea, I agree. My goal is to make an up-to-date guide for the zone. NPCs, Monsters, Quests, all packed into one nifty page. Kinda like those IGN guides. Thanks for the tip for the headings btw. ^_^ And yes I use the new Wikia skin. I'm probably going to go back to the old skin. Still need to know where to put my guide though, heh... Thanks!--&#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;Signatures/Shadow125787}} 21:02, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * You could always put it as a subpage of the zone (eg Darklight Wood/Guide) and reference it in a line on the zone page. Alternatively you could always keep it in your user space if you want to maintain editorial control. --lordebon 21:51, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd like to maintain editorial control. :P So, should I just keep the guide where it is and provide a link on the actual zone page? Or should I just let people find it themselves? Sorry I'm being persistent about this. >.<--&#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;Signatures/Shadow125787}} 17:12, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * finish it at your own page, and add a link to it at Talk:Darklight Wood so ppl can find it. Once it's finished we can move (so you are still in the history of the article) it somewhere else (like Darklight Wood/Guide) -- 18:15, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Mkay, thanks. ;)--&#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;Signatures/Shadow125787}} 21:41, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

screenshots of raid mobs
in the future ill be submitting screen shots of most raid mobs in SF expansion i also know most of there strats but i dont really know how to post that in keep me in touch


 * I made your screenshot smaller because the named wasn't really visible on the article
 * There is a Policy for Strategies Policy. You can put the basics (short overview of the strat) at the named article, a more detailed one should be at Named/Strategy.
 * -- 16:09, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Continents Image
Hey, was nosying at your To-Do list, saw the current Continents page and wow.... Judging by that map, that hasn't been updated for a long time! I wasn't sure if it's only supposed to display a certain part, but I made an image of the whole world map using the Spire, Druid Ring and the World Bell... So, if this is useful at all, go ahead and use it. If you need me to upload it because I made it, just let me know (but really I only did a bit of Photoshop to piece it together, I don't know if that makes it "my" image). 

Oh, and thanks for the edit on the Berserker page - still a learner here! -- Cacophonical 17:37, November 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * The map looks good, but it should have the Continents name on it :/ For example Antonica and Thundering Steppes are on the Continent Karan
 * About the Berserker page .. and in general please don't remove comments of a templates it helps other editors to understand the parameters -- 18:07, November 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, apologies for that, there have been plenty of times when I wouldn't have known what to put in a template if it weren't for the prompts. Maybe that image can be used for something else, like the Norrath page.


 * Edit: Okay...I don't know why the previous image looks so dark. Must be because I have the gamma turned up in game. How about this, then?


 * Edit 2: Sorry, I totally feel like a weird spammer now... Lightened the other image. -- Cacophonical 08:35, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

no worry ^^ Continents2 looks good can you upload it or should i? I gonna update the article once it's uploaded. -- 09:27, November 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can go ahead, I made it for you to use, hehe. I don't know much about the lore or anything so I wouldn't be a good person to add info to that page. -- Cacophonical 10:44, November 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, image used and links added. -- 12:11, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

I made a mess uploading icons
I'm sorry about this. I don't know what's gone wrong, but... first I was trying to upload a non-pixelated version of File:Feet Icon 09 (Legendary).png, and the wrong image uploaded. So I tried fixing it, and the image still looked wrong. Then I took a third try, and try #3 was wrong but #2 had turned right... when I refreshed my browser cache things worked right. So then I took a try uploading a non-pixelated version of File:Feet Icon 09 (Treasured).png, but when I uploaded, my image was the same pixelated one I tried to replace. Clearing the browser cache did nothing either. So I don't know whether my browser's messed up or wikia's uploading system is messed up or what, but... I thought I'd just explain what went wrong so you don't think I lost my mind and/or all competence.

In case it matters, I'm using the old MonoBook skin instead of the New Wikia Look. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 03:28, November 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * The wikia image caches need a while to update i gonna look at it tomorrow to see if the servers fixed it. -- 15:52, November 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think i uploaded the File:Feet Icon 09 (Treasured).png again which wasn't really needed, but it'S teh same image so np.
 * I reverted the legendary one
 * The Icons should be correct now by the look of it. -- 10:27, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

help with recent wikia changes
Hello i hope you can assist me, I have noticed the recent changes to wikia look and frankly i don't like them. They really mess with the in-game browser, the links are often hidden or out of place and i cannot change the settings to be the old wikia style. the biggest dissapointment however is all the waypoints that had the little copy box next to it that copy box is missing. I just want my old wikia back please help. Thank you, Jamesjamescopeland146@yahoo.com 11:29, November 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * The best thing is you use Monobook as skin (you can change it under preferences).
 * If you use it ingame please login there und you can use monobook skin where many things should work way better.
 * The good old skin got removed from wikia at 3.11.2010 for all wikis.
 * Forum:Wikia "new look" skin and EQ2i‎‎ - for further information
 * -- 16:13, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

welcome message
Hey, I got your welcome message... thanks. I intended to add a picture to an HQ but I realized that I couldn't get a screenshot since I was past that part and they didn't show up for me anymore (LOL) but I'll do it with another toon and add the picture then.

I love this wiki, and I'll contribute where I can :)


 * welcome!
 * The welcome message is generated by a wikia bot, my name showwd up there coz i was the last active admin hehe.
 * Have fun adding stuff, don't forget to sign to posts on talk pages and may think about creating an account =)
 * -- 10:31, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'm getting used to the wiki markup! but thanks for the manual welcome too! :) --Vlasdorian 10:50, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

New editor -- uncertain about checking numbers
OK, I may have screwed some numbers up for the Guardian combat arts I've been punching in. I've been trying to clean up some of the templates and put in some of the missing ranks. But I'm pretty new to EQ2, and I'm not sure about the values I'm entering. As I'm swapping between my lvl 27 Guardian and my level 30 non-fighter Alchemist, I'm noticing a swing in the values I'm seeing for taunts, etc, on the same skill between the two characters. I've been going under the assumption that when I view a spell scroll on the broker, it would look the same for anyone. Evidently, the change in abilities (I'm guess the aggression skill?) impacts this, which probably means all the values I've been entering are invalid.

My big question: what *should* we be putting in for values on these skills? The values seen by a fully skilled up character (level 90 with max)? A character who has just leveled up to use it? I'm a bit at a loss with how to acquire the data to fill out the tables. Suggestions? Or should we just roll it back and lose the template changes?

Jonreece 05:14, November 30, 2010 (UTC) jonreece 11/30/'10


 * The values should come from the class that uses that CA/Spell.
 * If you are unsure about the values .. just leave em there with ?
 * -- 09:35, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Armor template preload
Hey Chillispike, have you ever thought about adding the "abmod" field to the armor template pre-load? More stuff than not has an abmod these days and I don't see that changing with the new expansion. Just a thought.McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 04:51, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * makes sense to do it for Armor preload. done -- 14:14, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Articles not sorting alphabetically anymore
Sorry to keep posting on your talk page, but this has been weird.

I was starting writing monster articles for Category:The Hole Monsters, and none of them were sorting alphabetically anymore - the wiki had gone back to sorting based on if they started with "a" and "an". I then tested the problem by moving an old article from Woodland bear to A woodland bear, and same thing, the wiki isn't sorting it right. I used to do a blank edit to fix it, but that has stopped working.

So what now? I sort of stopped doing monster articles because with this it was kind of making a mess, but... is there anything I can do to help fix or clean up? Again I'm still using Monobook instead of New Wikia Look in case that's responsible.

Oh, unrelated, but File:Legs_Icon_83_(Treasured).png has been marked for rename since December. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 00:09, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * The sorting is handled by the following line
 * The parser function  changed at some point, and doesn't need the # prefix. - sorting is fixed for all articles, on the next bot run from wikia it will be visible.
 * Yeah i know i have some stuff to catch up since middle of december, but i gonna check the recent changes of the last weeks first then i sort the rest.
 * -- 17:20, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

HideDiv is broken
... Or at least, it most certainly seems that way. I'm using Firefox and Monobook layout and nowhere that I've seen a HideDiv section is the coding actually "hiding" the intended information anymore... I'm not sure when this happened, or why, but unless it's fixed, it now means we have tons of pages with useless code and header-boxes saying "click here to hide!" -- Mysterious drake 22:25, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not sure why it got broke and not sure i can fix it. I will ask Lordebon about it, since got it "running" at the start. -- 14:57, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll take a good look tonight or this weekend at the latest. My initial hunch is that the javascript from dev.wikia isn't getting hooked in. --lordebon 15:01, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Cool, thx! -- 15:04, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like it's Wikia that broke it somehow. Not surprising since they clearly don't care about letting people truly customize their wikis anymore. I might take a look at trying to replicate the functionality tomorrow; for tonight they've made me too disillusioned. --lordebon 22:49, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * After reading through some more stuff on the dev wiki and a few tests here, it looks like the NavFrame part is not working at all anywhere thanks to wikia. I left a message there to see if anyone has gotten it working, but barring that we'll have to move to collapsible tables instead of the NavFrames. Makes me very glad that I templatized things though -- assuming I don't hear back anything on the dev wiki we should be able to restore functionality using tables instead by modifying the HideDiv template. Now, anywhere else that collapsible divs might have been used will have to be fixed as well... have you two seen any such places that are broken that don't call ? --lordebon 18:40, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * only the ER quest and the achievements are useign it .. not sure about others -- 23:37, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for looking into it; I just hope it can eventually get sorted out. All in all, this just seems to reinforce to me that Wikia is trying to hijack sites and their layouts. I mean, okay, fine, implement new functionality to your website, but... seriously? Forcing all of us to choke on what effectively is a less than 800x600 display space? (Less if, like our wiki, you're using imagery, sidebars, etc -- nevermind the ads) -- Mysterious drake 06:33, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Der Anfang vom Ende?
please discuss if this idea is ok for you all.
 * I will delete it, gimmi a little till i have the time for it please. I can't atm. -- 10:02, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

thanks for pointing out the reason. this will motivate me to participate. NOT.


 * The proper place for German-language articles would be on the German version of eq2i, at de:Hauptseite. You can add links to the German version from the English using the wiki code  -- for example, I added   to The Beginning of the End? and now you'll see a link in the sidebar under "In other Languages" to German.
 * With that said, it won't help when it comes to links from in-game unless you modify your UI to point to de.eq2.wikia.com rather than eq2.wikia.com. --lordebon 14:17, January 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lordebon is right about that.
 * The other reaon why we don't localize every article is the fact that it's kind of endless. Atm i think we would need every article in x languages (english, german, french,russian, ....) a direkt translation isn't possible before soe mixs the names sometimes up and so.
 * feel free to add the translation to articles so you can find them when you search for them.
 * (I will move/copy this page to my talkpage before i delete it.)
 * -- 17:44, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Community Portal
Can you fix the link to the community portal in the sidebar, Chilli? You just have to edit MediaWiki:Portal-url and capitalize the "P" in portal. --lordebon 21:46, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * done -- 23:38, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Forum talk:Index
Since that seems to be a target for spammers lately, why not delete and protect the page? Forum pages don't normally have talk pages and there's no normal discussion link to them so a normal user probably wouldn't be able to get to that page to use it for it's original purpose anyway. :) --lordebon 05:04, February 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * i found it's purpose
 * if the spammers don't spam that article they find a other atilce, but that talk page doesn't hurt us that much so i rather see that page spammed then a other article.
 * -- 13:21, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry
Oh dear God I think I've left a horrific mess totally by accident .. was trying to update my character page and think I inadvertently updated everyone's and made a mess. I'm SO sorry! - Jaeyne


 * Where what? ;) just saw it. Thx for telling that it was a misstake ... otherwise i had to ask hehe :)
 * If you did something wrong with a article you edited, or someone else edited you can undo the changes.
 * Go to the History of the article
 * On the left col you pick the last good one and on the right either the top or a other one
 * Press the grey buttom Compare selected revisions
 * in the upper right corner you see Latest revision as of ........ (edit) (undo) press the undo (you ain't reverted the page yet)
 * Look if the compare of old and new article is ok then save it.
 * Templates are a way to generate generic stuff based on parameters, like Quests and equipment so it's easier to make changes for all articles that use the template.
 * Note: Please remember to sign your posts using four tildes ( ~ )
 * -- 18:10, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Greetings!
Greetings! Long time eq2.wikia.com user, only recently started contributing heavily. Just want to thank you for all your help, before I get into this conundrum.

The new expansion has released more items similar to Bit of moldering cadaver flesh and Chunk of void metal, that are an item that can be utilized in a way to get another item (most notably, equipment). However, in this case, they actually give you the option to click on one and instantly receive it, instead of trading it in to a merchant or using it to craft with. If you haven't seen one, it sort of looks like examining a recipe book, but also has icons below for each of the different pieces of equipment you can choose from (which you can right-click and examine, or hover over, for more info).

My question is this.. how can we properly represent those on this site? I'd be happy to take a screenshot if that would help. In the mean time, I may start trying to enter in all the individual armor pieces (although there's a ton).

Thanks again! Donhead 05:20, February 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome!
 * I think there are many items that only show the information like an examine window when you hover over it. I normaly write down that "popup" window to make the article.
 * Hmm, a screenshot would help for sure -- 10:08, February 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've posted a screenshot, Exquisite Resonating Cache.jpg. These are somewhat nested, which makes it fun.  If you examine a Prevalent Armor Piece, you then get a similar window, displaying a bunch of armor choices.  Upon actually accepting a Prevalent Armor Piece, you are given the option to loot one of the pieces of armor specific to your class.
 * These are being dropped by the chests after completing the Public Quests, which I just finished documenting (to the best of my ability). Which "Cache" you get seems to determine on your overall participation, although I'm not sure that's been confirmed.  I've seen 5 different "Cache" drops, each with slightly different options.  I have screenshots of all of them.
 * Taking screenshots of the "Armor Piece" drops is slightly more difficult, as they're taller than my screen (which I didn't notice until after snapping them). I'll try to get better pictures next time I'm on.
 * And just to clarify, I'm only showing the Examine window output. What you actually get is a "Loot" type window with the various options.  I'll try to remember to take a screenshot of it in-action.
 * If you haven't tried the Public Quests yet (Echoes of the Ring War and Battle of Storm Gorge, I'd highly suggest trying them out. They scale to your group, so go solo, or take a few raids.  Either way, it's a lot of fun. =)
 * Donhead 08:54, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * And just to clarify, the flow goes something like this: Complete Public Quest -> Click on chest -> Receive one of the "Cache" loot options -> Choose one of them, if armor piece selected -> Receive one of the armor piece loot options -> Receive actual equipable armor item.
 * You can see the Triumphant Armor of the Divide (Armor Set) for an example of the armor pieces, I started adding those in yesterday. That's a whole new story, by the way.. the armor sets are made up of 15 different pieces which can be mixed/matched.  I hope I did okay in putting together that Armor Set page.
 * Donhead 09:02, February 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * We have a parameter for things that create items or contains items (only real difference being the wording). You use it with Template:CItemList to create a list of icons (similar to in game) with a list of the names as well for easier browsing on the wiki. It should work for anything with under 10 items that it contains. I've upsed chunk of void metal using that template so you can see how it looks and have an example of the code.
 * For things with more than 10 items inside (like the armor pieces you mention) we'll have to figure something else out. Maybe a template with just the icons and then we can add a section below and outside of the black box to list all the item names. Could you get a screenshot of one of the long armor boxes? I'm curious if they list all the items by name or just show the icons. --lordebon 15:32, February 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * My apologies for not getting back to you, weekends belong to my kids, and every moment I can sneak away to play (naps and after bed), I've been -playing- instead of -documenting-. =)
 * I do appreciate you showing off Template:CItemList and chunk of void metal. That is exactly what I needed.  I've gone ahead and started my first one, A Dominant Weapon.  Just out of curiosity (I haven't gone looking yet), where do I get all the nice icons?
 * To answer the question about quantity of boxes and whether it lists items as well as displays the icons, yes and yes, and the last one I saw had 27 individual items listed, along with their associated icons (so your current limit of 10 in the template isn't going to be enough). Of course, I failed to get a screenshot, so I'll try and do that when I have a chance, but I can tell you it does look exactly like that template, and there is as many as 27 items on one of them.  I'm going to try and start documenting them all again this week.
 * Now that they've fixed the Public Quests with this morning's patch, there's additional loot options that weren't available before, and a lot as been clarified thanks to a number of developer posts on the forums. I'm going to try and update the Battle of Storm Gorge (touched it a little tonight) and Echoes of the Ring War pages to reflect what is now being seen.
 * And I'm glad to see someone picked up the Destiny of Velious Crafting Timeline. I had started to list out the quests as I was doing them, with the intention of going back and filling in a lot of the blanks, but it was either focus on the Public Quests and better gear, or do tradeskill stuff, and this time, Public Quests and gear won.  So much to do, so little time!
 * Have a great week, folks! Donhead 08:57, March 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I saw the item ingame allready so i updated the Template:CItemList and it should work for 30 items
 * To get the icons you can look through Category:Icons -> Category:Equipment Icons to find a matching one, if you can't find one feel free to upload one
 * -- 12:20, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

The Essence of a Prophet
I just posted one of the new HQ's from Greater Divide. It gives a buckler without class restrictions, and underwater breathing. Lets see how long it takes for Sony to see the error of their ways. Seditionist- raider on Nagafen

Collector (NPC)
Hey Chillispike, I saw that a change I had made to add a New Halas Collector to the Category Page for Collectors has been deleted. I know that I didn't have it quite right, but now because two individuals have deleted the category/categories, now the NPC doesn't show up. New Halas IS in the Frostfang Sea area and as such should have a category which allows users to be able to easily locate the NPCs located in New Halas. Could you please take another look at this issue and let me know what's the right way to resolve this? Thanks! --Councellor (talk) 00:35, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * New Halas is not in the frostfang area, it's in the zone called Frostfang See
 * we make the categories per zone, since new halas is just a "area" in frostfang sea it doesn't have a own category.
 * the same "happened" with the npc's of Kelethin .. those are all NPC's with Greater Faydark. same with the npcs of gorowyn.
 * The NPC should be still there (i ain't deleted at least) but in a other Category, the best way normaly is use the NPC by zone and purpose and so on.
 * i think there was a forum post about it where we made npc'S per city discussion but i'm not 100% sure atm.
 * -- 00:48, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * In an effort to help improve the functionality of a pretty good wiki, perhaps the bureaucrat/admins should consider revamping the NPC pages from a "zone" mentality to an "area" function. That way folks could find the NPCs they are seeking.  I attempted to locate the specific NPC using your suggestion of "NPC by zone and purpose" and the New Halas NPCs don't show up.  So while I appreciate your comments/suggestions, it's apparent that this issue needs another review. Try finding New Halas NPCs, it's impossible using NPC > Catagory:NPCs > NPCs by Zone and Purpose. I tried using NPC by Purpose and would need to click through every name on the page to find one that's in New Halas. This really seems beyond what most folks would be willing to go through using your wikia. Regardless of your decision, my comments are just constructive suggestions, not a complaint.  --Councellor  (talk) 01:14, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand that it's not that easy allways to find the wanted information in every possible way if you don't know the right name, even we can create many redirects those should be useful too
 * Try Category:NPC -> Category:NPC Types -> Category:Collector (NPC Type) then you will see 13 zones where colletors are (apart from Guild hall ones)
 * The problem with the NPC's by POI is that we would need to add a like 1000 categories for it. at many pois you have some npc's
 * Feel free to make suggetions how we could revamp it at Forum:City npcs vs zone npcs, but one of the goals is defo to keep NPC's by zone.
 * -- 01:38, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * One suggestion is that the location of the collector can be noted on the New Halas page. People looking for a collector in New Halas might be more likely to look there than in the collectors category. However as Chilli says things could get messy if we just start changing things in the middle so we try to plan it out and get consensus first. --lordebon 02:12, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also perhaps someone should place a notice on the main page of this wikia to state that changes should not be made without them being placed on a talk/discussion board first. This wikia doesn't seem to operate as most do (by user input) but instead by a few individuals (who seem to be unknown) and whom seem to have a plan in place that isn't/wouldn't be known by an average visitor to this wiki.  I looked on the main page prior to adding to this wiki and unfortunately didn't find/nor was I aware of any discussion to this issue of categories.  It has definitely made me decide not to provide any more inputs/changes to this wiki as I wouldn't want to "step on anyone's toes".  Again, this comment isn't being made to upset anyone, just to mention an issue that others may be encountering as well.

We do operate by user input, but since we're an old wiki we also have a lot of things that have become somewhat set in their ways -- not that there is necessarily the best reason for doing things one way, it's simply the way it's been done in the past so we try to keep consistent. This perception is very common -- wikipedia deals with it and even has a section on it at this wikipedia page. I'm truly sorry if you've become discouraged, but on most large wikis you will see the same thing: a set of common practices (some of which might not be written down) will develop and older users will tend to edit things to keep in line with those while new users are likely to not know about them at all. There's not actually any toes being stepped on, we're just trying to keep things consistent so that it's accessible. A part of the problem is that when the administrators ask for folks input (on the main page or using the little notification thing at the top of the page) few if any people respond and thus it's very difficult to get a gauge on the community. Nevertheless there are ways of proposing changes -- the normal way here is to make a forum topic about it.

You make a good point there though, as there isn't really something that points folks to the forums for suggesting changes. Thats an area we can look to improve, maybe with an article on how to propose changes linked to on the main page. This is generally how changes happen -- someone comes up with an idea that doesn't fit against the way existing things work and it gets discussed and is either moved forward or not depending on consensus. If you'd like to stay and propose changes the wiki would certainly be better for it. We should move the discussion to a forum topic though, as we don't want to keep burning up Chilli's talk page while he's away. --lordebon 21:34, March 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Great point Lordebon, this topic moved to Forums. Thanks! --Councellor (talk) 23:19, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the Info Chillispike!
Thanks for providing the information regarding changes in spell names, it was very helpful. Some of the older advice posted in online forums didn't make sense without it. I looked in more than a few places before finding the GOOD information on your site. Thanks!

Where Have All My Icons Gone? (Long time passing...)
A bunch of icons I made for the new Public Quest gear have disappeared, for instance, see A Victorious Armor Piece (Storm Gorge). I didn't keep the screenshots after I uploaded. Where did they go? Am I going to have to do them all again? --Sigrdrifa 18:26, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Did they get redirected in a recent bot move? The Delete Log may help find this info. I'm not sure when Chilli will be able to answer, but that log may help with some initial forensics.--Kodia 21:16, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lordebon's bot run renamed the head icons to 4 digit numbers Head Icon 30 (Legendary).jpg => Head Icon 0030 (Legendary).jpg
 * I checked some of the moved icon's and saw they get used .. then i deleted the old redirects (not the images)
 * So all the icons are still but have a litte different name, my bot should be able to sort it .. somehow =)
 * -- 22:04, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Whew! They seem to be showing up properly now. I was afraid I was gonna have to redo them all! --Sigrdrifa 22:57, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * As Chilli said I was testing my bot to move some of the icons to higher numbering so that they'd show up in proper order in the categories but he went through and deleted all the redirects before I had a chance to update all the references (I got the ones categorized as head slot, it's the other instances that were a bit harder to track down). I have a list of all the old icon names to go through and verify that there's none missing still, I just haven't had the change to completely go through them all yet due to crunch time IRL that popped up. For whatever reason the wiki doesn't work too well with finding text strings like that, especially in the API that bots use. Sorry if I caused any concern, I wasn't expecting the redirects to get deleted that fast or to not be able to get back to finish up. --lordebon 00:07, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Pfew. Glad that got figured out. Stay calm and carry on, eh? --Kodia 01:53, March 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Head icons sorted. I will check the wanted photos tomorrow again to make sure that i catched all of them -- 07:22, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

EQ 12th Anniversary Celebration
Will you or one of the other admins be creating the categories for this week-long special event, or will it just be whoever does it first decides on the names to use? AndonSage 15:47, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Chronoportals
I went ahead and put together a rough page on the Chronoportals, if you want to link it from the news item on the front. --Sigrdrifa 22:15, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice job, Sigrdrifa! :) AndonSage 20:21, March 24, 2011 (UTC)